The Normal Christian Life
What does ”ordinary Christianity” look like exactly? Using Scripture, Church history and personal testimony, two Catholic priests, Frs. Michael and Chris Trummer, and Mary Bielski offer a renewed vision of what our lives can be like as Christians. Far from being ”ordinary”, the normal Christian life is an entirely new life empowered by the Holy Spirit -- drawing upon a divine inheritance, manifesting supernatural power, and bearing a staggering promise of glory.
Episodes

7 days ago
7 days ago
1hr 9 min
In this episode of The Normal Christian Life Podcast, Sydney Wood shares her powerful testimony of encountering Jesus in the Eucharist and how that encounter completely changed the direction of her life.
Sydney grew up around Christianity and attended Catholic school, but she struggled with anxiety, body image, broken trust, and resistance to the Catholic faith. Even after beginning to seek God more seriously, she wrestled with whether He was really present and whether He could actually bring healing and peace.
Then, during Eucharistic adoration on a high school retreat, everything changed.
Sydney recounts a profound encounter with Jesus, an experience of the Holy Spirit, and a deep conviction that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. Within weeks, she made the decision to enter the Catholic Church and received First Communion and Confirmation.
She also shares what happened afterward: learning how to actually live as a disciple, growing in prayer, serving at Damascus, facing the difficulty of living the faith in college, and discovering that following Jesus brings a kind of joy the world cannot give.
In this conversation, we talk about:
– Sydney’s struggles with anxiety, body image, and identity
– Her resistance to Catholicism
– Her first experience of Eucharistic adoration
– Encountering the love and presence of Jesus
– Wrestling with doubt and unanswered prayer
– Her dramatic encounter with Jesus and the Holy Spirit
– Why she became convinced of the Real Presence
– Becoming Catholic only weeks later
–Learning to hear God in prayer
– Life after conversion
– Living a Spirit-filled Catholic life
– Why Jesus is worth giving your whole life to
Sydney’s testimony is ultimately a story about what can happen when someone becomes willing to say to God: If You are real, show me.
“I know that He’s in it because I have seen.”
CHAPTERS
00:00 Sydney’s testimony: encountering Jesus in the Eucharist
01:00 Growing up Protestant and attending Catholic school
02:00 Struggling with body image and an eating disorder
04:00 “Jesus, if You’re real, You need to help me”
05:00 Broken trust, anxiety, and drifting further from God
07:00 Going on a Catholic retreat while resisting Catholicism
10:00 Why Sydney disliked the Catholic faith
15:00 Her first experience of Eucharistic adoration
18:00 “God, You are real” — experiencing freedom in adoration
20:00 Beginning to pray and becoming open to Jesus
23:00 Prayer begins changing her life
24:00 Why didn’t God take away her anxiety?
25:00 Sydney’s first vision of Jesus
27:00 Returning to Kairos expecting another encounter
29:00 “Do you believe the Lord can heal you?”
30:00 A crisis of faith and discovering John 14
32:00 Surrendering her life and asking for the Holy Spirit
33:00 Sydney says she physically saw Jesus
34:00 “I felt His hand”
35:00 Overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit
38:00 “This is what heaven looks like”
39:00 “Why are you doubting Me?”
43:00 Processing the experience
45:00 A final outpouring of the Holy Spirit
47:00 Seeing Jesus and the tabernacle together
48:00 “You are living proof that heaven is real”
49:00 Deciding to become Catholic
50:00 First Confession, First Communion, and Confirmation
53:00 Damascus and discovering Spirit-filled Catholic community
56:00 What life looks like after conversion
57:00 Living the Catholic faith in college
58:00 Why Christian community matters
59:00 Learning to rely on the Holy Spirit
1:01:00 Why following Jesus brings greater joy
1:02:00 Why Sydney believes Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist
1:04:00 Advice for encountering Jesus in adoration
1:05:00 What to do when your prayers seem unanswered
1:07:00 Finding joy even in suffering
1:08:00 Closing prayer

7 days ago
7 days ago
1hr 23 min
How do you actually recognize God's grace at work in your life?
Christians talk constantly about grace. We know that salvation is by grace, that we need God's grace to grow in holiness, and that we cannot live the Christian life by our own strength. But what does God's grace actually **look like in everyday life**? How can we recognize when the Holy Spirit is moving us, strengthening us, convicting us, or inviting us into something?
In this episode of **The Normal Christian Life Podcast**, Fr. Michael and Fr. Christopher Trummer continue their conversation from *Faith Works* by getting very practical about the experience of God's grace.
Grace is not simply a pleasant spiritual feeling. Sometimes God gives us peace and consolation. Other times His grace comes as conviction, holy discomfort, a new desire, unexpected courage, clarity about what to do next, strength to endure something difficult, or encouragement through another person.
And sometimes we don't experience the grace before we act. We encounter it in the act of obedience—as we step into what God is asking us to do.
We discuss how to recognize God's grace, distinguish grace from our own impulses, become more attentive to the movements of the Holy Spirit, and cooperate with what God is already doing in our lives.
Ultimately, learning to recognize grace helps us move from vaguely believing that “God is at work” to actually noticing His personal love, presence, guidance, and action in the concrete circumstances of our lives.
If you've ever wondered, “Was that God?”, this episode is for you.
CHAPTERS
00:00 What does God's grace actually look like?
03:00 Making God's grace concrete and personal
07:00 Why recognizing grace matters
11:00 Grace isn't always a good feeling
16:00 Conviction, restlessness, and holy discomfort
18:00 God works through desires and inspirations
24:00 Grace as strength, courage, and endurance
29:00 Sometimes you have to “do it scared”
32:00 Grace often comes through obedience
34:00 Clarity, light, and knowing the next step
40:00 Recognizing what God is doing in a season
43:00 “My grace is sufficient for you”
48:00 Recognizing God's peace in difficult circumstances
51:00 God's grace is strongest in His will
55:00 Grace through affirmation and encouragement
1:01:00 The ordinary ways God gives us grace
1:06:00 Sacraments, the Eucharist, and being receptive to grace
1:11:00 Extraordinary encounters and ordinary grace
1:13:00 Finding grace in the duties of everyday life
1:15:00 Experiencing God's grace through beauty
1:18:00 Passivity vs. active receptivity
1:19:00 How to respond when you recognize grace
1:20:00 Two questions for prayer and reflection
1:21:00 Closing prayer

Jun 29, 2026
Jun 29, 2026
56 min
Do Catholics believe we have to earn our salvation? Are we saved by faith alone? What role do good works actually play in the Christian life?
In this episode, Fr. Michael and Fr. Christopher Trummer discuss faith, works, grace, justification, salvation, and sanctification from a Catholic perspective. They explain why Catholics do not believe we can earn salvation by our own efforts, while also showing why Scripture repeatedly teaches that real faith must bear fruit in love, obedience, perseverance, and good works.
This conversation looks at passages from Ephesians, Romans, James, Matthew 25, John 15, Philippians 2, and more. The goal is not to reduce salvation to self-reliance or religious performance, but also not to fall into passivity. The Christian life is a life of grace-filled cooperation with God.
We are saved by grace. We receive that grace through faith. And that faith, if it is living, works through love.
Chapters:00:00 Introduction: why faith and works is controversial01:10 Salvation, justification, and different Christian language02:10 The objective offer of grace and how we receive it03:00 Salvation as past, present, and future05:00 Catholics do not believe we earn salvation06:20 Ephesians, Romans, and salvation by grace07:05 The good thief and the essence of salvation08:00 What Catholics mean by “works”09:20 Justification and God’s initiative10:40 Persevering in grace11:45 “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling”13:00 Once saved, always saved?14:10 John 15, bearing fruit, and remaining in Christ15:30 Can salvation be lost?17:00 Serious sin as a rupture of relationship18:30 Confidence, certainty, and perseverance20:40 Matthew 25 and the final judgment24:25 The rich young man and keeping the commandments25:20 What is faith?26:30 James, demons, and faith without works27:40 Biblical faith as the response of the whole person29:30 Merit, grace, and heavenly reward32:10 Abiding in Christ through obedience33:35 Necessary does not mean earned34:25 Revelation, the talents, and reward36:00 The danger of passivity37:15 Human cooperation with God’s grace38:05 Righteousness, holiness, and imputed righteousness42:00 God’s grace actually transforms us43:30 The prodigal son and imperfect repentance45:10 The danger of self-reliance46:30 Pelagianism and trying to save ourselves48:40 Trying to “muscle” love49:30 Not self-reliance, not passivity50:15 Cooperation with grace in concrete action51:30 Saints, effort, and grace-filled work52:30 Working without worry, haste, or desperation54:00 Avoiding the “holy bunker”55:00 Final takeaway: grace, grit, and fruitfulness55:40 Closing prayer

May 18, 2026
May 18, 2026
57 min
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Fr. Michael and Fr. Christopher welcome Adriana Gonzalez back to The Normal Christian Life to discuss her new docudrama on Christian unity, That They May Be One. The film uses documentary storytelling and dramatic reenactments to trace a historical thread from Pentecost through 20th-century outpourings of the Holy Spirit, including figures such as St. Elena Guerra and Agnes Osman, with contributors including Francis Chan, Randy Clark, Mary Healy, and Cardinal Cantalamessa.
In this conversation, Adriana shares the vision behind the film and explains why Christian unity is central to Jesus’ prayer in John 17. She also reflects on her childhood experiences in Charismatic Renewal prayer meetings, her own “personal Pentecost,” and the connection between revival, baptism in the Holy Spirit, and unity in the Body of Christ.
The discussion also explores receptive ecumenism, unity vs. uniformity, doctrine, evangelization, and how the Holy Spirit draws believers into deeper communion and mission.

May 8, 2026
May 8, 2026
1hr 8 min
Fr. Michael and Fr. Christopher welcome their friend Frankie Garcia, who shares her background growing up with a Catholic mother and Protestant father, officially entering the Catholic Church in 2021, and encountering the Holy Spirit through a simple prayer and powerful ministry experiences.The conversation that follows reframes intercessory prayer as a paradigm shift away from persuading God, performance, anxiety, and “spiritual orphanhood,” toward praying as beloved children aligned with the Father’s will, listening first, and praying “from heaven to earth” with confidence in God’s generosity. They also discuss Scripture on asking in Jesus’ name, the Spirit’s action in prayer, discerning God’s will in particular situations, and examples of Spirit-initiated prayer leading to healing and deeper conversion.

Apr 13, 2026
Apr 13, 2026
1hr 15 min
This episode explores the tension between humility and greatness in the Christian life. Doreen Morehouse shares her journey from interior emptiness and crisis to encountering God’s power, discovering her identity, and eventually entering the Catholic Church. The conversation challenges the assumption that holiness means remaining small or hidden, arguing instead that God often calls people to real fruitfulness and impact. The hosts examine how fear, comfort, and misunderstanding humility can prevent Christians from stepping into their calling. They also discuss the role of success, influence, and wealth, emphasizing that these must flow from identity and obedience rather than ambition. Ultimately, the episode presents a vision of greatness rooted in surrender, where God works powerfully through those who trust Him.
00:00 Welcome and Theme
01:04 Birthday Wake Up Call
04:24 Spiritual Battle and Rescue
05:36 Called to Prayer
08:44 Holy Spirit and Miracles
09:46 Journey into Catholicism
15:45 Greatness and Humility
21:17 Identity and Kingdom Mindset
31:59 Success Wealth and Beauty
35:41 Marketplace Calling Begins
36:52 Montana Rental Whiplash
37:49 Reinvesting With God
38:49 Wealth For Kingdom Influence
39:47 Money As Moral Tool
41:38 Scripture On Prosperity
44:33 Stewardship And Giving
47:58 Abundance Mindset Shift
50:11 No Manipulation Fundraising
55:13 Kingdom Promotion Explained
01:00:28 Character Before Favor
01:08:40 Holy Desire For Greatness
01:13:57 Final Prayer And Sending

Mar 16, 2026
Mar 16, 2026
1hr 6 min
In this episode of The Normal Christian Life, Fr. Michael and Fr. Christopher sit down with David Mendoza to hear his powerful testimony of encountering God in dramatic ways — and how those encounters ultimately led him back to the Catholic Church.
David grew up in a Catholic family and experienced moments of God’s presence even as a child. But as a teenager he drifted away from the faith, becoming involved in drugs, partying, martial arts culture, and Eastern mystical practices.
Despite running from God, the Lord continued pursuing him.
David shares incredible moments along his journey — including supernatural encounters, prophetic dreams, experiences of the Holy Spirit, healing prayer, and powerful moments of evangelization where God used him to reach people in unexpected places.
Yet even after encountering the power of the Holy Spirit in charismatic and Protestant communities, David felt a growing hunger for something more: the fullness of the sacraments and the historic Church founded by Christ.
Through studying Scripture and the early Church Fathers, David eventually discovered that the Church Christ established still exists today in the Catholic Church.
In this conversation, David shares:
His childhood encounters with God
How sin and Eastern mysticism pulled him away from the faith
Powerful supernatural experiences after returning to prayer
His journey through charismatic Protestant ministry
The role of the Holy Spirit in leading him to truth
How the Church Fathers convinced him of Catholicism
Why the Mass and the sacraments completed his faith
This episode is a powerful reminder that God never stops pursuing us, even when we wander far from Him.
And sometimes the Holy Spirit leads us through a long journey — only to bring us home.
00:00 Meet David Mendoza
02:07 Childhood Faith Sparks
03:40 Teenage Double Life
07:40 Martial Arts And Mysticism
11:15 Providence Meets His Wife
12:45 Leaving Mass For Baptist
14:21 Hunger For Holy Spirit
16:38 Seven Day Fast Fire
20:20 Healing And Prophetic Gifts
27:11 Word Of Knowledge Lessons
28:49 Spirit-Led Ministry Shift
30:05 Hunger for Sacraments
30:56 Charismatic Episcopal Bridge
32:38 Church Fathers Conviction
34:05 Sacramental Love Story
35:46 Cain and Abel Challenge
37:33 Back to Rome Fulfilled
37:54 Charismatic and Hierarchical
40:40 God Uses Imperfect Vessels
42:57 Apple Tree Growth Analogy
47:47 Confession and Prophecy
49:18 Eucharist Desire and Sacrifice
53:34 Unity and Renewal Call
01:01:58 Final Blessing and Prayer

Feb 16, 2026
Feb 16, 2026
1hr 11 min
The hosts welcome back Mike Nolan for a conversation on Christian identity—why it matters today, how it appears in Scripture, and why it often doesn’t move from head knowledge to lived experience. They discuss identity as something primarily imparted through prayer, encounter, and relationships with people living as beloved sons and daughters, rather than merely taught. They explore common obstacles like the orphan mindset, performance and success-based self-worth, shame, and problem-centered spirituality. Then they explain how God dismantles false identities through pruning, suffering, and seasons of desolation. Finally, they reflect on the role of emotions in forming identity, clarify the difference between humility and low self-esteem, and emphasize that mission flows from relationship with God.

Jan 26, 2026
Jan 26, 2026
1hr 21 min
What does it actually mean to love—not just in theory, but in real life?
In this episode, Fr. Michael Trummer is joined by Fr. Christopher Trummer and Mike Nolan for a deep, honest conversation on love (charity) as the greatest theological virtue. Moving beyond clichés and sentimentality, they explore why love is both a gift of grace and something we must actively cooperate with—and why knowing about love is very different from actually living it.
The conversation touches on:
Why love is the only virtue that endures into heaven
How love is fulfilled not by doing more, but by delighting in the other
The difference between Christian love and merely “being nice”
Why loving difficult people is essential for spiritual growth
How unhealed wounds and failure to receive love make loving others so hard
The relationship between agape (self-giving love) and eros (delight and desire)
Why heaven is not a glorified vacation—but perfect communion
This episode challenges listeners to examine whether their love is rooted in busyness, duty, and performance—or in real communion, hope, and grace. It’s a practical, demanding, and deeply hopeful vision of love as preparation for heaven and participation in God’s own life.
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00:00 Introduction to Theological Virtues
00:58 The Paradox of Love and Grace
02:07 Love in the Context of Faith and Hope
03:38 The Uniqueness of Christian Love
08:21 Love as Preparation for Heaven
12:09 The Role of Emotions in Love
22:43 The Challenge of Loving Difficult People
25:55 Integrating Agape and Eros
41:35 Understanding Self-Agreement and Interior Brokenness
42:26 The Difficulty of Receiving Love
42:48 The Trinity and the Nature of Love
44:05 The Impact of Being Loved
44:43 The Heart Magnifies What It Receives
47:36 The Role of Security in Love
48:41 Experiencing True Friendship and Love
54:48 The Importance of Hope in Love
59:19 Patience and the Unveiling of Love
01:06:36 The Impossible Vocation of Love
01:11:55 The Necessity of Gentleness in Love
01:17:04 Closing Thoughts and Prayer

Jan 16, 2026
Jan 16, 2026
1hr 48 sec
What is faith—really?
In this episode of The Normal Christian Life, we continue our series on the theological virtues by exploring faith: what it is, what it isn’t, and why it cannot be reduced to intellectual agreement or apologetics alone.
This conversation unpacks:
Why biblical faith is relational and lived, not merely believed
How faith engages the whole person—mind, heart, will, and action
The proper role of reason in the life of faith
Why dryness, doubt, and desolation do not mean faith is failing
How God’s hiddenness can actually deepen trust
The importance of community, testimony, and perseverance
Drawing from Scripture (especially Hebrews 11), the saints, and lived experience, we show that faith is not emotional hype or blind guessing—but a conviction that endures even when God feels absent.
If you’ve ever wondered:
“Why doesn’t God feel close anymore?”
“Is my faith weak if I don’t feel anything?”
“How do I keep believing through suffering or silence?”
This episode offers clarity, realism, and hope.
Faith is a gift—and a response—that matures through trust, surrender, and perseverance.
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00:00 Introduction to Theological Virtues
02:17 Understanding Faith: Beyond Intellectual Assent
06:25 Personal Faith Journeys
09:48 Faith and Reason: A Harmonious Relationship
13:12 Experiencing God: Faith and Feelings
23:11 Faith in Action: Living Out Beliefs
30:07 Struggles with Faith and Desolation
31:44 Understanding God's Hiddenness
34:58 The Role of Suffering in Faith
50:35 The Importance of Community in Faith
53:24 Evangelization and Personal Testimonies
58:55 Concluding Thoughts and Prayer






